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Brainstorm (Why are we getting banned?)
#31
Still strong almost a quarter left to fill to reach 24. been knocking down gyms and taking over them without spoof. haven't botted for 3 days now. had a lot of activity today, driving about 20kms while pogo was on, bought some incubators and hatching them all together. trying everything legit. So i guess what i'm trying to figure out is, when I reach a certain level, does niantic do a whole background check and go back to the time i botted or do they catch you only if you mess up? could a ton of activity wipe all your botting history? fingers crossed i get away with this. update you guys in 12 hours. if blessed, account will be still good. i'm playing legit tomorrow, 3 hours walking around this park that has tons of stops and lures. i'll be 24 by tomorrow, hopefully 10lbs less haha.
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#32
(08-20-2016, 02:35 PM)dncci Wrote: Still strong almost a quarter left to fill to reach 24. been knocking down gyms and taking over them without spoof. haven't botted for 3 days now. had a lot of activity today, driving about 20kms while pogo was on, bought some incubators and hatching them all together. trying everything legit. So i guess what i'm trying to figure out is, when I reach a certain level, does niantic do a whole background check and go back to the time i botted or do they catch you only if you mess up? could a ton of activity wipe all your botting history? fingers crossed i get away with this.  update you guys in 12 hours. if blessed, account will be still good. i'm playing legit tomorrow, 3 hours walking around this park that has tons of stops and lures. i'll be 24 by tomorrow, hopefully 10lbs less haha.

That's exactly what I'm looking for to know. Please keep us updated
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#33
So I've lost 2 now, first one last week, finally got the term letter today. First one was level 25, think that one was my fault although in intervals I may have went too long in a 24 hour period. Never hit the Pokemon or stop limit but reflecting since I work from home I ran it through the day and again at night. Chalked that one up to a loss. But tonight I lost the new one it had just made level 23. Never walked more then 2 meters a sec (usually I move it around a little) on this one never hit any of the limits. Stayed in my locale. Tonight was running along fine and paused to pop an incense and then it was locked out. So back to the drawing board. I'm going to record everything on the on the next one and report back. Love the bot and trying not to get banned is a game in itself.
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#34
Just my idea. I don't know anything about IT, but there are not many places with free WiFi in our country. So mostly you need to use 4g 3g etc... could it be that your pc leaves a trace (like an ip) which makes you detectable. Just an idea
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#35
I don't think it's an ip ban issue my non bot account pings from that ip when I'm home and no ban that's one is lvl 23. I have a dedicated Vpn that I will try on the next account and see what happens.
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#36
My experience:

- 1st account: played legit until level 9. Discovered bot and switched to bot, sticking to legit speed and time and all was fine. Got up to level 18, discovered tutu app tweaked version with teleport feature, teleported many times and all was fine. Accidentally teleported one time and forgot to teleport back before attempting to catch a pokemon. Was soft banned instantly. Didn't know about the spin soft ban fix back then. So logged straight out of the tweaked app. 15 mins later tried to log into the official app and found data server error which went on for many days. Finally received official ban email.

- 2nd account: created just a few days after first was banned. Bot straight from level 1 using pidgey, weedle, caterpie level up. But made sure to stick to legit level limits per day. Got to account 21 in four days. All was fine until one day I made the same teleport mistake as the first account. Thought I was fried. But I knew about the soft ban fix by then, so gave it a go. Got un-soft banned. Continued teleporting and made the exact same mistake again a few hours later, fixed the soft ban, survived again. The next day, made the same mistake once more, fixed the soft ban. The account is still well and active today, but I made 3rd account just in case this one goes.

-3rd account: Like account 2, bot from level 1, using legit speed, time and realistic level up. Around level 21, tutu app was down and I discovered pokesniper. So sniped for few hours daily, leaving legit intervals between snipes. Got to level 24, tutu app was back. Started using it again and made the same mistake again (stuck to pokesniper since then because it's more fool-proofed) and once more, fixed the soft ban. Now at level 28 and still active.

All three accounts fought battles and held gyms.

My theories:

1. People who started legit and move to bot half way through are more likely to get caught due to sudden change in routine. I think many people made a mistake of increasing activity hour when they started botting. These hours might still be legit, but still different from how you first started. Like if you usually walk an hour a day legit and when you bot you suddenly walked 3 hours without rest daily. That would be suspicious. But if we you bot from day one, it's less likely to have a sudden change in your "routine".

2. They definitely won't have enough people to manually spot cheaters due to very high number of logs they get each day. So it's very likely that they rely on an automated system that detects cheating, which could range from continuously going at a high speed, unrealistic hours on the game/walking, pokestop limits, catch limits, unrealistic level up speed, teleporting, too many accounts on one IP, account logged on simultaniuosly on more than one device. Once you're detected in one of these, you get soft banned. The IP (cannot see anothing on map), pokestop, catch flee all counts as soft bans.

3. The soft bans serves as being flagged. The staff goes through the soft ban list daily and manually checks out the flagged account. If they see confirmation of cheating activity, they give permanent ban. If you happened to be in the flagged account during the time that a member of staff was checking then you're fried. But if you removed yourself from the soft ban list before a member of staff gets to your queue then you survive. This explains why my first account went so fast, whereas the other two still active even when there are much more cheating with exactly the same mistake. I guess during the 15 mins that I didn't un-soft ban myself in the first account, a member of staff was checking through the latest flagged accounts and got to mine.

4. They probably have red flag system where if your account was soft banned exceeding a certain number of times, then your account will be automatically terminated. So your record of soft ban still counts, even if you un-banned yourself, but the system has it noted that you once got soft banned. This is probably to prevent people feeling like soft ban is fixable and repeatedly cheated. But the number of soft bans before you get red flag is probably set quite high due to the various many ways you can get soft banned. So just history of 4-5 soft bans and fixed on time before being manually checked won't get you banned. Perhaps someone should experiment on how many times you can get soft banned and fix it before you get perma banned?

5. Gyms and battles on their own probably won't get you banned if you botted or sniped. But if someone report you, they manually check you out and if they find evidence of cheat then it's perma ban.
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#37
(08-21-2016, 02:17 PM)violettals Wrote: My experience:

- 1st account: played legit until level 9. Discovered bot and switched to bot, sticking to legit speed and time and all was fine. Got up to level 18, discovered tutu app tweaked version with teleport feature, teleported many times and all was fine. Accidentally teleported one time and forgot to teleport back before attempting to catch a pokemon. Was soft banned instantly. Didn't know about the spin soft ban fix back then. So logged straight out of the tweaked app. 15 mins later tried to log into the official app and found data server error which went on for many days. Finally received official ban email.

- 2nd account: created just a few days after first was banned. Bot straight from level 1 using pidgey, weedle, caterpie level up. But made sure to stick to legit level limits per day. Got to account 21 in four days. All was fine until one day I made the same teleport mistake as the first account. Thought I was fried. But I knew about the soft ban fix by then, so gave it a go. Got un-soft banned. Continued teleporting and made the exact same mistake again a few hours later, fixed the soft ban, survived again. The next day, made the same mistake once more, fixed the soft ban. The account is still well and active today, but I made 3rd account just in case this one goes.

-3rd account: Like account 2, bot from level 1, using legit speed, time and realistic level up. Around level 21, tutu app was down and I discovered pokesniper. So sniped for few hours daily, leaving legit intervals between snipes. Got to level 24, tutu app was back. Started using it again and made the same mistake again (stuck to pokesniper since then because it's more fool-proofed) and once more, fixed the soft ban. Now at level 28 and still active.

All three accounts fought battles and held gyms.

My theories:

1. People who started legit and move to bot half way through are more likely to get caught due to sudden change in routine. I think many people made a mistake of increasing activity hour when they started botting. These hours might still be legit, but still different from how you first started. Like if you usually walk an hour a day legit and when you bot you suddenly walked 3 hours without rest daily. That would be suspicious. But if we you bot from day one, it's less likely to have a sudden change in your "routine".

2. They definitely won't have enough people to manually spot cheaters due to very high number of logs they get each day. So it's very likely that they rely on an automated system that detects cheating, which could range from continuously going at a high speed, unrealistic hours on the game/walking, pokestop limits, catch limits, unrealistic level up speed, teleporting, too many accounts on one IP, account logged on simultaniuosly on more than one device. Once you're detected in one of these, you get soft banned. The IP (cannot see anothing on map), pokestop, catch flee all counts as soft bans.

3. The soft bans serves as being flagged. The staff goes through the soft ban list daily and manually checks out the flagged account. If they see confirmation of cheating activity, they give permanent ban. If you happened to be in the flagged account during the time that a member of staff was checking then you're fried. But if you removed yourself from the soft ban list before a member of staff gets to your queue then you survive. This explains why my first account went so fast, whereas the other two still active even when there are much more cheating with exactly the same mistake. I guess during the 15 mins that I didn't un-soft ban myself in the first account, a member of staff was checking through the latest flagged accounts and got to mine.

4. They probably have red flag system where if your account was soft banned exceeding a certain number of times, then your account will be automatically terminated. So your record of soft ban still counts, even if you un-banned yourself, but the system has it noted that you once got soft banned. This is probably to prevent people feeling like soft ban is fixable and repeatedly cheated. But the number of soft bans before you  get red flag is probably set quite high due to the various many ways you can get soft banned. So just history of 4-5 soft bans and fixed on time before being manually checked won't get you banned. Perhaps someone should experiment on how many times you can get soft banned and fix it before you get perma banned?

5. Gyms and battles on their own probably won't get you banned if you botted or sniped. But if someone report you, they manually check you out and if they find evidence of cheat then it's perma ban.

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#38
good post violettals. we're inching closer to our theory that you're only banned when you're flagged, when you mess up and you get reviewed. btw, make sure you guys put days, like if you're 28, how many days? Or we can just accept that we have to be more realistic in terms of levelling up and using our bots. 2-3 hours tops, rest about a few hours, make sure you don't hit the counter limits. unsoftban yourselves if you do.

just hit level 24, pure grind after botting 9-23. i'm seriously tired right now. stood and walked 1.5 hours or so and used lucky eggs to get pass level 23. fun though you don't realize the fatigue until you're home, hungry, thirsty, like really going to the gym. battled a few today as well, still not banned. i really think you get flagged if you level too fast. so i'm botting one of my account again today but not this sample. love the new update too, thanks Mr.Ninja!
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#39
I've made 3 accounts so far.

1st - Banned - I ninja 10 hours a day while I was at work. Ninja around my office, since my office is great for pokemon. I got to 26 on the account in 4 days. Half way through the 4th day It got banned when I paused to mass-transfer some of the accumulated pokemon. Speed 3mps, zero soft bans, manual path entry.

2nd - Active - Ninja to level 17 to be the same level as my girlfriend. Ninja'd all in one go, and has been active for 1 week, no bans, and I play irregularly on it when she is around. Ninja'd in New York couple hundred miles from my residence. 3mps

3rd - Active - Ninja'd to level 21 in one go, manually logged in the next day transfer any unwanted accumulated pokemon. Will continue Ninja'ing every other day. Will slightly change path, will continue to do 10 hours in one go.

Will update as I go.
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#40
Lv. 27 as of right now, everything is running smoothly.

For the ones wondering about the coordinates, here: 37.8081388, -122.40961379

I'm in the process of making a Manual Path because I did notice that the bot only selects 35 Pokéstops no matter the radius I set. And I notice in the map that after automatically selecting the Pokéstops within the bot, new ones will appear and the bot will just ignore them
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