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Brainstorm (Why are we getting banned?)
ok i'm in Asia so just woke up today, bots still fine after destroying a gym last night, without leaving any of my pokes in there. theories might be true about being reported. snitches. but i didn't spoof last night so the only way to test the waters is to - unfortunately, take over the gym and see if anyone snitches again.

question, when we open the ninja, does it automatically show that we exist in the coordinates? or we're just in limbo until we hit the start button? always wondered how that worked.
You are in the limbo, until you generate the path and start walking. Like when you have location services turned off in phone, you should see a big grassland in the real app, not real location.
MrNinja, thank you for your hardwork. I will donate.

update: secondary account got banned. never did anything but went up too fast. like 23 in 3 days. i guess even with bots, we have to be patient.
Got my second account banned , clueless this time on what it caused the ban ... probably level too high
using the bot on my 3rd account.

Started yesterday and I am Lvl 23 and always in the same area. I run around 5 pokestops and catch like 500 per day. All while I am at work. I close it, go home and sleep and the next day at work I start the bot. For now all is good....
There are so many questions...

- If you spoof carefully, not teleporting and always staying in your area, low speed, not running the bot for too long, not too much lvl, using the device emulator settings right, still are chances of ban?
- If you get a softban and then do the trick to get out of it, you become clean again or you get flagged?
- The Ninja bot sends all the data required to Niantic servers so they think you are on phone?
Hey Ninjas!  Cool

Love this thread!!! I haven't posted until now, because I was lurking very attentively.  I also don't really have any useful input yet, because my only bans were to 3 accounts that I was extremely careless with. I did everything wrong. LOL  I sniped all over the planet and collected all of the regionally exclusive Pokémon (Tauros, Mr. Mime, Kangaskhan, and Farfetch’d), jumped around carelessly with the bot - getting dozens of soft bans, botted for periods that were probably too long, battled in gyms - destroying people with ease, used offensive nicknames (DaClitWhisperer, LongDongSilver, and BarryMcKockiner), and basically followed no guidelines to attempt going undetected.
      I think this is the PERFECT way for us to pool our information, and help each other (AND help MrNinja) figure out how to bot without getting a Niantic bitch-slap.
      I am in nursing school, and my brain always seems to work scientifically. I approach many things with the "Scientific Method". That is EXACTLY what this thread is doing! The "scientific method" has been proven  effective for centuries. So in MY opinion, it is BY FAR our best bet, to figure out to bot discreetly.
For those of you who aren't familiar.....the steps of the scientific method are;
1. Ask a question: In our case, the questions is, "What criteria is Niantic using to decide who to perma-ban?", and "what can we do (or what can MrNinja change in the program), to avoid being banned?"
2. Do Background Research: Rather than starting from scratch in putting together a plan for answering your question, you want to be a savvy scientist using research to help you find the best way to do things and insure that you don't repeat mistakes from the past.
3. Construct a Hypothesis: A hypothesis is an educated guess about how things work. It is an attempt to answer your question with an explanation that can be tested. A good hypothesis allows you to then make a prediction. :
"If _____[I do this] _____, then _____[this]_____ will happen."
4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment: Your experiment tests whether your prediction is accurate and thus your hypothesis is supported or not. It is important for your experiment to be a fair test. You conduct a fair test by making sure that you change only one factor at a time while keeping all other conditions the same.
You should also repeat your experiments several times to make sure that the first results weren't just an accident or a coincidence.
5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion: Once your experiment is complete, you collect your measurements and analyze them to see if they support your hypothesis or not.
Scientists often find that their predictions were not accurate and their hypothesis was not supported, and in such cases they will communicate the results of their experiment and then go back and construct a new hypothesis and prediction based on the information they learned during their experiment. This starts the much of the process of the scientific method over again. Even if they find that their hypothesis was supported, they may want to test it again in a new way.
6. Communicate Your Results: The final step in the scientific method is to communicate your results to others in a final report and/or a display THIS THREAD! Professional scientists do almost exactly the same thing by publishing their final report in a scientific journal or by presenting their results on a poster or during a talk at a scientific meeting. Your findings are very important, regardless of whether or not they support your original hypothesis.

      Obviously, this method is more effective if there are more participants. So, the more people who contribute to the experiments, and report their results - the better our chances are of figuring out how to bot under the radar.

KUDOS to dncci, for starting this thread!!!!
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(08-19-2016, 10:55 AM)Try733 Wrote: Got my second account banned , clueless this time on what it caused the ban ... probably level too high

What Lv. were you? How did it happened? What were your settings? Im still safe on mine, don't know for how long
lol @ranger but yes that's exactly the perfect approach. scientific. anyway, i finally did it. I didn't bot my main today. just logged in every so often to check the gym near my house, 200m away, didn't spoof. destroyed the gym an hour ago, put my exeggutor with cp 1911 and my level shown to the whole world, level 23. another bot, level 19, tossed in a magmar. so we are two there now. the highest level that stayed there was a 25, who's still not banned (figured he snitched on me, so i did the same). the highest level that was banned was me, 28. i hope this 23 doesn't attract snitches.

just a background on my 4th account who's now my main. it started last week, friday, prestine, no bot. was level 4 for that day. turned level 9 on sunday, bought some coins and then some lucky eggs. got my 3rd account banned on monday, so botted the prestine account from mon-wed, maybe partly thursday too, just a little. today is friday (asia, 12.30am) didn't bot today, never spoofed it. didn't share phones or ip with any other of my bots. we'll see how it holds up. (just now it got dethroned in the gym) but still. let you know if anything happens tomorrow.
  • When my 3 carelessly used accounts got banned 3 days ago, I moved to 2 other accounts - my original main account, which was level 29 - LEGIT.... never botted or sniped.....and the other account is a brand new, unused PoGo acct.  I'm using & moving them in successive tandem. I keep very moderate settings:
  • 2m/s - 2.5 m/s (which translates to 7 km/h 4.5 mph - 9 km/h 5.6 mph).  The average human walking speed is about 5.0 kilometers per hour (km/h), or about 3.1 miles per hour (mph). So, the speeds I'm using are similar to jogging or slow bicycling.
  • I restrict the running time to about 2 hours for each hunt.
  • I stay in a fairly small area, manually routed, maintaining a human-like path (not walking through buildings or through bodies of water).
  • I pause (Stop Catching) the bot, to perform inventory management - just like a human would do.
  • If I want to move to a different location, I check what the travel time should be (driving time or flight time, using Google), and make sure that I wait AT LEAST that long, before moving to the new location. (I think a little common sense goes a long way here!)
  • I don't use Mass-Evolve or Mass-Transfer. I transfer manually, taking very significant pauses between each action, very similar to the animation times in the PoGO app.   NOTE: The night before my 3 accounts got banned, I ran a Mass-Transfer and Mass-Evolve on all three accounts. This made me wonder if the fast pace of the mass actions threw up a Niantic flag.
  • As soon as I finish my inventory maintenance on one of the accounts, I close Poké Ninja to show Niantic that I have closed the app. This starts my travel time clock, if I am going to be in a new location next time I start the app. 
  • I keep an eye on the number of Pokémon caught and Pokéstops robbed, making sure that it doesn't reach 1000 Pokémon or 2000 Pokéstops. Although, because of my very conservative settings and practices, my numbers NEVER reach anything close to those. I think it's pretty obvious that we should be less greedy by slowing things down a bit, since nobody is 100% sure exactly what criteria Niantic is using to find the botters.
  • After those 3 accounts got banned and I started using the other 2 accounts, I started using PureVPN.....selecting a server in the same city that my bot is in.
The two accounts that I'm working with now are Level 19 and almost level 30.
I decided to avoid using the level 29 (almost 30) account for a couple days. My thought is that level 30 MIGHT be a milestone level to Niantic. I think it's possible that they might have given certain levels an acceptable time frame to reach.

I hope something in this post is useful to some of you!!!!!
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